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Peer's name on formal wedding invitation

Setting: Modern day London
Searches Used: Hours wasted trawling through Debrett's and hours more on google using every (or nearly every since there's probably some that I forgot) permutation of "groom's name" "peer" "title" "rank" and "wedding invitation" possible.

Is it just me or does it seem as if the simplest questions are often the most difficult to answer? In the case of this particular question, I suppose it's because those to whom it would be relevant would already know without having to ask...

But that said, please somebody tell me that they know the proper wording/form/etiquette for the name of a groom on a formal wedding invitation who also happened to be a British peer?

Is the title included or omitted?

Is it used in place of the peer's forename(s) and surname? For instance, most wedding etiquette guides stipulate that the groom's name should be written "Prefix Firstname Middlename Surname" (i.e., Mr. James Alexander Mackenzie). Would a peer follow suit and disregard his title entirely? Would he simply be listed as "Lord Nonesuch"? Or would actual rank come into play? (For example, James Alexander Mackenzie, 6th Earl of Seaforth.)

What about prefixes (i.e., "The Honourable" or "The Right Honourable"?)

What about the use of the article 'the'? That is, "The Earl of Warwick" or "The Lord Saltoun" in the case of a baron or Lord of Parliament?

What if the peer holds more than one title in two separate peerages - i.e., a lordship of Parliament in the Peerage of Scotland and a barony in the Peerage of the United Kingdom? Are both listed? And if only one is used, which would it be? The oldest title or the one in the peerage of higher precedence? Or is it up to the peer's particular preference?

What if the groom is also a Scottish clan chief? Does that come into play in any way at all?

For reference, let's say the character in question is named Frederick James Findlay, 14th Lord Glenelg in the Peerage of Scotland and 4th Baron of Glenelg in the County of Inverness-shire in the Peerage of the United Kingdom. He's also the 24th chief of Clan Findlay (a fictional clan since the Findlay surname is actually a sept of Clan Farquharson). In what way would a formal wedding invitation refer to this person if he were the groom?

Any help at all would be greatly appreciated! Cheers!

ETA: A clarification on the jumbled mess of questions above...basically, which of the following forms would be correct?

(1) Mr and Mrs John Philip Tweed
request the honour of
your company at the marriage
of their daughter
Sophia Anne
to
Mr Frederick James Findlay
at St Paul's Church, Knightsbridge
on Saturday 12th April 2012
at 3 o'clock
and afterwards at
The Hyde Park Hotel, London SW1

(2) Mr and Mrs John Philip Tweed
request the honour of
your company at the marriage
of their daughter
Sophia Anne
to
The Right Honourable Frederick James Findlay, 14th Lord Glenelg and 4th Baron Glenelg
at St Paul's Church, Knightsbridge
on Saturday 12th April 2012
at 3 o'clock
and afterwards at
The Hyde Park Hotel, London SW1

(3) Mr and Mrs John Philip Tweed
request the honour of
your company at the marriage
of their daughter
Sophia Anne
to
The Right Honourable Frederick James Findlay, Lord Glenelg and Baron Glenelg
at St Paul's Church, Knightsbridge
on Saturday 12th April 2012
at 3 o'clock
and afterwards at
The Hyde Park Hotel, London SW1

(4) Mr and Mrs John Philip Tweed
request the honour of
your company at the marriage
of their daughter
Sophia Anne
to
The Right Honourable the Lord Glenelg
at St Paul's Church, Knightsbridge
on Saturday 12th April 2012
at 3 o'clock
and afterwards at
The Hyde Park Hotel, London SW1

(5) Mr and Mrs John Philip Tweed
request the honour of
your company at the marriage
of their daughter
Sophia Anne
to
The Lord Glenelg
at St Paul's Church, Knightsbridge
on Saturday 12th April 2012
at 3 o'clock
and afterwards at
The Hyde Park Hotel, London SW1

(6) Other - Please Explain
Tags: uk: nobility, ~weddings
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