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Rightwing conspiracy theories

I was wondering if anyone here knew of what kind of conspiracy theories would have been running wild among right wing extremists in the US around 2001, though before 9/11.

My character grew up with a father who is a member of a right wing militia, and he's thinking about one of the anti government things his father told him. The problem is that most conspiracy theories I know of, started up after President Obama was elected into office, so I need something that would have run rampant then, or running up to then.

I've googled for right wing conspiracy theories, but well most of them seem to have started up too recently to be useful.

If it helps, the character's father is a racist, and believes the entire US government to be illegitimate and would have been living in Kansas at the time
Tags: 1990-1999, 2000-2009, usa: government (misc), usa: history (misc)
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I don't know much about conspiracy theories but I have worked with an academic whose main research interest were conspiracy theories. Maybe check out his (academic) book:

Butter, Michael. Plots, Designs, and Schemes: American Conspiracy Theories from the Puritans to the Present. DeGruyter, 2014.
Thanks, that definitely seems interesting.

Maybe something to do with gun control? After Columbine it was a big issue.

That does seem to be a thing that keeps coming back, doesn't it?
The Wikipedia page on conspiracy theories is a good starting point; anti-semitic conspiracy theories and the New World order probably fit the bill, as would the Cliton body count, and possibly theories about Pan Am 103 (the trial was 2000-2001) and the Oklahoma bombing?
think I looked at that one earlier, sometimes hard to figure out which ones would be used by whom.

orthent

4 months ago

There's always the antivaxxer stuff--while most right wingers are pro vaccine, the far right antivaxxers (Alex Jones, etc) think vaccines are a World Government conspiracy to cause autism/cancer/homosexuality on a mass scale, with the ultimate goal of reducing the human population.

You could go not-so-crazy and have him be against Planned Parenthood, because Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who wanted to make abortions legal and available to reduce the African American population (that's how the right sees it).

Teacher's Unions are socialist and seek the socialist indoctrination of all students. NCLB (under Bush) is part of it, as are the 'participation trophy' movement.

If you're going that far back and you want the 'govt is illegitimate' there's always the Clintons are Patsies to the New World Order--mostly Saudi Arabia.

Global warming dates back to that far, too, doesn't it? Al Gore and his hockey stick? The idea that the global warming hype was basically a chance to screw the average American--when Obama, in 2004, said that under his plan, the average American's utility costs would 'necessarily skyrocket' got a lot of old rage dusted off.

Anything your character needs to dislike is an obvious false flag operation by the New World Order.

A necessary disclaimer: I'm a libertarian so I follow both left and right wing news. The things I have typed here as conspiracy theories are obviously NOT things I believe or ascribe to.

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liliaeth

5 months ago

liliaeth

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parmalokwen

5 months ago

They were mostly three things:


1. The moon landing was a fake.


2. The Clintons had people killed who were in their way to absolute power.


3. The oil cartel was actually controlling the world, including wars. Some of this has been partially proven like when the automotive industry killed public transportation in the 1940s.


*I also want to point out that there was a spin off series from The X-Files called The Lone Gunmen. It starred three conspiracy theorists who ran a magazine and newspaper. In the pilot episode...which aired in March 2001...the father of one of the Lone Gunmen tips them off that the military is about to stage a plane hijacking in order to preserve funding for the military industrial complex. If they can't prevent it, the hijacked plane will be flown into the World Trade Center.

Think I remember that show, don't remember it being that right wing though, but admittedly, I never watched it.
Not sure if they could be considered right-wing, but as a behavioral model, the Waco siege and the Ruby Ridge incident would be worth looking into for some behavioral models of extremists who thought the government was totally corrupt.
good to know, might be interesting to know in regards to the main chars (aka Dean's) relationship with his FBI handler (aka Cas) once he turns informant on his father's group. (it's a non supernatural spn au, where John fell in line with a militia/Patriot group, instead of with hunting)

A right wing extremist around that time would've had all sorts of personal y2k conspiracy theories, and would have most likely be reading the "Left Behind" series, which has all sorts of delightful conspiracy possibilities.

Not sure if the father is that particularly religious though. Still thanks :-)

jordinothepizza

5 months ago

Try asking on Reddit. Or simply look in wikipedia yourself. :]
I try and avoid reddit, too many things that piss me off there ;-)
i'm sorry, but nobody has mentioned Free Men On The Land?
the idea that Statutory law is an illegitimate expression of State authority and the only true law is, like, Admiralty Law or some shit.
also, the Uniform Commercial Code is an implied contract wherein any and all transactions somehow make the person a slave of the State.

the whole thing boils down to the Government being an optional contract that you can opt-out of by preforming certain things like refusing to use your social security number or postal address.

it's pretty big with the kind of White Nationalists and Christian Patriots who like to pretend they are lawyers because they read a pamphlet at a gun show.

it is my very favorite conspiracy and it would have been huge with the Tim McVeigh types.
That's the one where judges are illegitimate if they use the wrong kind of flag right?

sushidog

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hmm, that water fluoridation might actually give me a good idea for an attack the group is planning that the main char would want to warn the FBI about....

awesomelies

5 months ago

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that sounds right
I have no idea how far back Snopes' archive of political debunkings goes but it might be worth spending half an hour clicking the Next button to find out. I was newish to the net in 1998-2000 and I remember spending hours reading Snopes - which was then mostly devoted to chain emails, the proto-fake news - in horrified fascination. Vaguely recall a good bit of stuff about black helicopters and UN plots to take over America, shadow-governments-in-waiting, that kind of thing? Definitely something along the lines of "the government is about to declare martial law and suspend democracy and take away our guns and I know because my uncle was at a truck stop and he saw a trailer with the back door open and it was full of THIS AREA IS UNDER MARTIAL LAW signs". Suspect this is all still on Snopes if you know how to find it.
Protocols of the Elders of Zion has been around for over a century, and shows no signs of going away. The John Birch Society was (and still is) very popular with middle-aged mid-Western racists.
In terms of conspiracies, you can't go far wrong with just the general The Jews Not-So-Secretly Control Everything And Totally Want to Destroy The Aryan Race.

But if you want to get a much more detailed overview of the pre-Obama, pre-9/11 rightwing conspiracy mindset, here's a book recommendation for you:

Armed and Dangerous: The Rise of the Survivalist Right by James Coates.

It was first published in 1987, but the edition I have is from 1995 (with a new preface that talks about Waco in 1993 and the Oklahoma City bombing that had just happened in April 1995) and it really should give you a very good idea of what the Winchesters boys in your AU would have encountered growing up.

Here's a sample from the preface of the kind of thing survivalists back then believed:

...part of a Jewish conspiracy which which included the United Nation directed mind-control tactics to force white American men to work at slavish menial jobs while making sure, through income tax and affirmative-action laws, that they could not earn enough money to better themselves, even as the government was helping African Americans get better jobs and more training.

That one is pretty much a full Bingo card of right wing conspiracy stuff right there although of course a racist would never say African American.

and here's a good one too on a smaller scale:

These are people who believe that the anti-counterfeiting strips now placed on $20 bills actually are tiny radio transmitters that permit the government to keep track of who has money and where they are at any time....They explain that markings on the back of road signs on the interstate highway system are directions designed to show a UN army of occupation where to position its forces during the coming takeover by what they call "One Worlders."

It's a very readable book under 300 pages, but also very scary since sitting here in 2017 I can already see several elements of what used to be considered fringe conspiracy theories are now practically mainstream beliefs. Yikes.

And if it ain't the Jews, it's the Muslims...
The first Gulf War in 1990-91 was full of conspiracy theories circulating around the don't-trust-any-guvmint types. Starting with the fact that Iraq used to be the US's friend and US supported Iraq against (the wrong kind of Muslim) Iran, but then the US was against Iraq, so it must be the Jews/Muslims fault.

The Scud attacks by Iraq on Israel (did/dindn't they exist...) in hope of getting more Muslim nations to assist Iraq, led to huge amounts of conspiracy - they were made up by Israel, fired by Israel, actually fired by the US/Soviet Union to get other countries to assist/ostracise Iraq, it was all the Saudis...

Lots of this was pretty mainstream speculation and distrust, but conspiracy nuts drove it up many notches (also add Gulf War Syndrome, the US/UK army is experimenting on our soldiers, it's all the vaccines, or secret gas used by Saddam/Saudi/the Jews...)
There's also the 1973 Wounded Knee incident - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_incident.

And the Ruby Ridge incident (which was a precursor to Waco - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege).
I remember reading in a teen magazine in the late 90s, one of their "real-life issues" stories interviewed a girl whose father was a right-wing militia man. I can't recall much about it, but one thing I do remember is in her telling a story about a discussion in her US history or government class, where she chimed in, "My dad has a bunch of little pocket size copies of the Constitution, I could bring them in and pass them out and then everyone could have one!" and her teacher was like "No-o-o-o but thank you!" and her response (she couldn't have been more than 16) was kind of "????why don't you like my dad??"

There were also elements of the groups that today get called "doomsday preppers" or just "preppers," although they didn't get those labels until sometimes after the year 2000. People who amass vast quantities of nonperishable goods, emergency supplies, and frequently lots and lots of guns and ammo, in preparation for gubmint collapse/world war 3/the Rapture or other supernatural apocalypse/total race war (take your pick). Your character could have memories of helping their dad tend to his prep hoard, organizing it and throwing out expired canned goods, and wondering why their fellow schoolmates weren't so well prepared.

R. e. the Y2K thing, I know someone who went completely off grid and fortified his home/bunker in preparation, and stayed that way for years before getting back in contact with his old friends again...It's hard to believe now, but even a lot of less extreme people were convinced that world civilization could instantly collapse...

wild_huntress

January 15 2017, 21:14:35 UTC 5 months ago Edited:  January 16 2017, 03:20:12 UTC

I'm no expert myself, but the Clinton body count and the New World Order seem to have a long history. I also highly, highly recommend reading or skimming Jon Ronson's Them: Adventures with Extremists. It's a short and very funny book and details Ronson's travels with and interviews of various conspiracy theorists, including right wing American "separatists" and even one of the survivors of the Ruby Ridge confrontation. He definitely gets into a number of their beliefs and concerns as people in those communities described them.

The book has a number of chapters in which Ronson recounts "adventures" with different conspiracy theorists, several of whom are American right-wing types, and it's very easy to figure out which chapter focuses on people from a given belief system, so it's not like you'd have to read 100% of it.
If you want to follow the General Line of Party, look up in wikipedia. :]
If you rely on the strangers, it may end embarrassing. Like this: https://twitter.com/SkipLicker/status/819190956880789504